Talk: Dance of the Dragons

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The End section says:

Since the Dance, House Targaryen has practiced a highly modified version of agnatic primogeniture, placing female claimants in the line of succession behind all possible male ones, even collateral relations.

That's not a highly modified version of agnatic primogeniture, it's the very definition of agnatic primogeniture (which contrasts with cognatic primogeniture, where females become behind males in the same immediately family, but ahead of male collateral relations). See [Wikipedia] for a longer explanation.

Also, notice that agnatic vs. cognatic succession is completely irrelevant to the DotD itself. Aegon II would be the heir under either rule, Rhaenyra's claim is based on the will of the King trumping the line of succession, which has nothing to do with which rules are used to draw the line of succession. So, I think mentioning that the agnatic succession decision was an effect of the DotD without any explanation as to why is very confusing.

Also, since the Dance, as far as I can tell, there's only been one case where the agnatic and cognatic rules differ—the very first one, Aegon III, who was in fact Aegon II's cognatic but not agnatic heir, which means the Targaryens may have decided on agnatic primogeniture in theory, but have never actually followed it in practice. Which, again, means that mentioning it without explanation or discussion is confusing.

As a side note, the "See Daena Targaryen, Daeron II" links are a bit confusing, since neither page explains how they're relevant. It's true that cognatic primogeniture could have given Daemon Blackfyre a better primary claim (through Aegon III) over Daeron, while agnatic primogeniture only gives him a distant secondary claim, but that's not described on either page, and it was never the cause of the succession dispute anyway (which was based on Daeron's possible bastardry, and on Aegon IV's legitimization of Daemon, and guessing at Aegon IV's unproclaimed will). --Falcotron 21:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Regent Wars

Am I just out of the loop or is somebody making stuff up?--RumHam 13:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The Cargyll Twins

Would it be possible to add the Cargyll twins duel at Dragonstone to the Duskendale and Rook's Rest section, as it is stated as occurring at the same time as Criston the Kingmaker moved against Duskendale and Rook's Rest? Queen Alys Harroway's champion (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Thinking of adding this to the page under the Blood and Cheese section, information on the Kingsguard, Queensguard, and the Cargyll twins duel. Let me know if it's all right or wasting my time.

Duel of the Cargyll Twins

Not even the Kingsguard were unaffected by the Dance. The seven sworn brother's split upon the death of King Viserys I with Ser Lorent Marbrand and Ser Erryk Cargyll already at Dragonstone defending Rhaenyra, later being joined by Ser Steffon Darklyn, the three forming the core of her new Queensguard. The other four staying with Aegon II at King's Landing, being Ser Criston Cole, Ser Arryk Cargyll, Ser Rickard Thorne, and Ser Willis Fell.

After the deaths of Prince Lucerys and Prince Jaehaerys, Ser Criston, the Lord Commander of Aegon II's Kingsguard, tasked Ser Arryk with infiltrating Dragonstone in the guise of his twin, Ser Erryk. It is uncertain whether he was to kill Rhaenyra or her children, as accounts differ. But the twins happened to come upon each other in one of the halls of the castle's citadel and fought to the death. According to songs, the brothers professed their love as their swords clashed, dying in one another's arms after fighting for an hour with duty in their hearts. However, the account of Mushroom, who claims to have witnessed the duel; they condemned each other a traitor and were both mortally wounded within moments. Queen Alys Harroway's champion (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Added the section, so you may do with it what you will. Queen Alys Harroway's champion (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)