Talk: Ramsay Snow

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"Ramsay Bolton"?

Since Ramsay was officially legitimised by King Tommen in ASoS, then shouldn't this article be retitled to "Ramsay Bolton" rather than "Ramsay Snow" as it currently stands? -- La Víbora Roja 06:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

If the article is titled "Ramsay Bolton", then "Ramsay Snow" would be a redirect. If someone finishes reading A Clash of Kings for the first time and is wondering about this confusing Reek/Ramsay Snow character who suddenly sacks Winterfell, then the article's title would be a spoiler that his name is changed at some point after ACOK. Instead, it is usually better to title the article how the character is first introduced and to explain the character's plot progression book by book through the "Recent Events" sections. Similarly, if Jon Snow were to be legitimized as Jon Stark, his article shouldn't be moved to Jon Stark but should instead explain the name change in the appropriate book's section. Article titles and their introductions are often top results in Google searches, which can easily lead to unexpected and undesired spoilers. Nittanian 14:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense I guess - I just wasn't sure what AWikiOIAF's policy was on spoilers. Wikipedia for example, is quite clear that they don't care if an article is spoilery or not, as long as it's accurate and properly sourced. In fact, their entry on Ramsay is listed under "Bolton" (albeit it's a sub-section to a larger article). And in regards to Jon Snow's article staying as Snow rather than being retitled to Stark, well even he doesn't know that he's now a Stark, and anyone who does know is most likely rotting somewhere near The Twins, so in that regard in doesn't make sense to retitle, whereas for Ramsay, being legitimised is a seminal event in his character's development. -- La Víbora Roja 15:36, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this wiki has a written policy on spoilers. However, over the years I've read numerous instances of people on other websites warning people away from reading A Wiki of Ice and Fire, since many articles were written in a manner which assumed the reader had already finished the books. Because of that, I've been trying to remove spoilers from article introductions (which are displayed in Google's search results) and separate content into sections by chronological publication. For instance, until today the intro for Robb Stark mentioned Ned's death, one of the most dramatic events from AGOT. Nittanian 18:47, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Well with the recent proliferation of other Wiki-type pages dealing with GoT and/or ASoIaF it's pretty much a losing battle now, I think. For example, This one and this one both have the Ramsay article under "Bolton". The latter has been Bolton for quite a while now, whereas the former was renamed shortly after the airing of episode 4.08. -- La Víbora Roja 19:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
That's why we should fight the good fight (at least within this wiki)! The other wikis' approach seems unwelcoming to new readers and/or viewers. In contrast, The Citadel, the Tower of the Hand, and the A World of Ice and Fire app have methods to hide spoilers. I'm not aware of a realistic wiki approach which would be comparable, which is why I find it important to use the Recent Events breakdown. Nittanian 19:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Also, this wiki is, for as far as I know, the biggest asoiaf wiki, so we should keep working to keep it the best as well, for both those who have read everything, and for those who have only read the first page of the first book, for example.--Rhaenys_Targaryen 19:58, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. Thanks for the chat. -- La Víbora Roja 20:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
There has been a fight over a spoiler policy and the result was that most people did not agree there should be one. See here for the details.Scafloc 18:20, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


I have removed "Ramsay Bolton" from the introduction, as Ran does not want spoilers introduced right away: "I admit that I like the idea of preserving some sense of spoiler-protection, by being able to deal with mutable details in a way that people only read about changes in a chronological context, rather than being presented with the current state of play right off the bat." Nittanian (talk) 08:43, 16 February 2016 (CST)